1 00:00:09,966 --> 00:00:11,866 Hi, I’m Todd Houlahan. 2 00:00:11,866 --> 00:00:14,233 Welcome to the seventh edition of our portable XRF series 3 00:00:14,233 --> 00:00:17,233 on best practice application of the technology. 4 00:00:17,233 --> 00:00:21,033 Today I’m joined by Ted Shields, the Vanta product manager. 5 00:00:21,033 --> 00:00:21,900 Hi Ted. 6 00:00:21,900 --> 00:00:22,833 Hey Todd, how are you doing? 7 00:00:22,833 --> 00:00:23,733 Really good, and you? 8 00:00:23,733 --> 00:00:24,333 Great. 9 00:00:24,333 --> 00:00:27,400 Alright, today were going to talk about sample preparation. 10 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,400 So how do pXRF users figure out 11 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:31,666 how much sample preparation they need to do? 12 00:00:31,666 --> 00:00:33,266 The level of sample preparation 13 00:00:33,266 --> 00:00:37,300 depends on the objectives of each individual user. 14 00:00:37,300 --> 00:00:40,466 So it could be no sample preparation. 15 00:00:40,466 --> 00:00:42,433 It could be full sample preparation 16 00:00:42,433 --> 00:00:43,966 and everything in between. 17 00:00:43,966 --> 00:00:48,733 Ultimately a customer needs to test, challenge, 18 00:00:48,733 --> 00:00:52,066 and then decide on what level of sample preparation 19 00:00:52,066 --> 00:00:53,966 will meet their objectives. 20 00:00:53,966 --> 00:00:55,266 And we’re also going to show them some 21 00:00:55,266 --> 00:00:56,900 of this equipment that we have behind us, right? 22 00:00:56,900 --> 00:00:58,400 Indeed, we’re going to start out with 23 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:00,633 really basic levels of equipment 24 00:01:00,633 --> 00:01:03,900 right through to quite advanced levels of sample prep. 25 00:01:03,900 --> 00:01:06,533 So with pXRF we’re taking an established 26 00:01:06,533 --> 00:01:09,833 laboratory technique and bringing it out into the field. 27 00:01:09,833 --> 00:01:12,566 Exactly, and when taking it out into the field 28 00:01:12,566 --> 00:01:14,966 we encounter all sorts of different samples 29 00:01:14,966 --> 00:01:17,933 so ultimately the quality of the data will be 30 00:01:17,933 --> 00:01:20,600 dictated by the quality of the sample. 31 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:22,966 So lets look at the journey of our samples. 32 00:01:22,966 --> 00:01:24,733 First you need to collect the samples 33 00:01:24,733 --> 00:01:27,066 and with pXRF you can collect a whole lot of samples 34 00:01:27,066 --> 00:01:28,700 and a lot of data points and that gives you 35 00:01:28,700 --> 00:01:32,466 very fine-grained information about your project. 36 00:01:32,466 --> 00:01:35,866 Typically then a few of those are sent off to the laboratory 37 00:01:35,866 --> 00:01:39,600 and they get more detailed information on a particular sample. 38 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,033 The way they do that is to dry the sample, 39 00:01:42,033 --> 00:01:44,166 then crush it, and then grind it. 40 00:01:44,166 --> 00:01:46,266 And they do this to make the sample homogenous 41 00:01:46,266 --> 00:01:48,200 before they dissolve it in acid 42 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,566 or make a fused bead or a pressed pellet. 43 00:01:51,566 --> 00:01:54,866 So if your data quality objectives include 44 00:01:54,866 --> 00:01:58,100 comparing to laboratory data, you may want to consider 45 00:01:58,100 --> 00:02:01,533 doing the same sorts of things that a laboratory does. 46 00:02:01,533 --> 00:02:04,400 So let’s start with stage one at the lab, drying. 47 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,800 How does moisture affect portable XRF results? 48 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:08,300 There are two main effects, 49 00:02:08,300 --> 00:02:11,166 the first of which is that the moisture in the sample 50 00:02:11,166 --> 00:02:12,733 absorbs some of the x-rays 51 00:02:12,733 --> 00:02:14,100 that would normally get back to our detector. 52 00:02:14,100 --> 00:02:17,333 So that makes us under report on some elements. 53 00:02:17,333 --> 00:02:22,066 The other is that in the factory we calibrate on dry samples 54 00:02:22,066 --> 00:02:25,300 and the dry samples weigh a little bit less than the moist samples. 55 00:02:25,300 --> 00:02:28,566 So this also tends to makes us under report on moist samples. 56 00:02:28,566 --> 00:02:30,633 Yeah, in my experience we always 57 00:02:30,633 --> 00:02:33,233 under report on moist samples, always. 58 00:02:33,233 --> 00:02:36,233 Yeah, that’s right and so we then get asked two questions, 59 00:02:36,233 --> 00:02:38,433 one, how much moisture can you tolerate? 60 00:02:38,433 --> 00:02:42,900 And the second is, if the moisture level is consistent 61 00:02:42,900 --> 00:02:44,500 can we just go ahead and correct for it? 62 00:02:44,500 --> 00:02:46,433 OK, how much can we tolerate? 63 00:02:46,433 --> 00:02:49,433 On the transition metals, heavier metals 64 00:02:49,433 --> 00:02:51,700 about 5 to 10 per cent moisture seems to have 65 00:02:51,700 --> 00:02:55,066 very little impact on portable XRF results. 66 00:02:55,066 --> 00:02:58,966 And question 2 is a little bit more complicated to answer. 67 00:02:58,966 --> 00:03:02,100 Different elements are impacted in different ways 68 00:03:02,100 --> 00:03:04,633 by different levels of moisture. 69 00:03:04,633 --> 00:03:07,833 So, again, send the samples to the lab. 70 00:03:07,833 --> 00:03:09,866 Get some moisture measurements either 71 00:03:09,866 --> 00:03:13,800 before you send them using a moisture meter or at the lab. 72 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:15,233 Get the data back, 73 00:03:15,233 --> 00:03:18,266 have a look at the correlation with your portable XRF results 74 00:03:18,266 --> 00:03:21,633 and see if the data can be fit for purpose. 75 00:03:21,633 --> 00:03:24,866 Only the customer can decide whether it’s OK or not. 76 00:03:24,866 --> 00:03:26,433 So do you have some customer examples then? 77 00:03:26,433 --> 00:03:27,366 Yeah, lots! 78 00:03:27,366 --> 00:03:33,166 One example is customer testing quite moist clay soils 79 00:03:33,166 --> 00:03:35,700 put all their samples in clip lock plastic bags 80 00:03:35,700 --> 00:03:38,066 and then presses down on each one 81 00:03:38,066 --> 00:03:41,600 to sort of squeeze out as much moisture as they can. 82 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,966 Another example, one customer putting all their samples 83 00:03:44,966 --> 00:03:49,233 on coffee filters and trying to suck out as much moisture 84 00:03:49,233 --> 00:03:52,566 within a designated, couple of hour period. 85 00:03:52,566 --> 00:03:54,900 Another customer puts all their samples out 86 00:03:54,900 --> 00:03:58,333 for air drying for 24 hours before testing them. 87 00:03:58,333 --> 00:04:00,600 So as long as you treat your sample consistently 88 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:02,700 you are likely to get consistent results, 89 00:04:02,700 --> 00:04:04,466 probably really good for trending 90 00:04:04,466 --> 00:04:06,833 but to get the absolute concentration value 91 00:04:06,833 --> 00:04:08,666 is probably, you need to evaluate. 92 00:04:08,666 --> 00:04:09,666 Exactly, yeah. 93 00:04:09,666 --> 00:04:14,366 One really interesting application was testing the core cutter slurry. 94 00:04:14,366 --> 00:04:19,000 So collecting the slurry from cutting say, a meter of core, 95 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,466 drying it of course before analysis, 96 00:04:21,466 --> 00:04:23,466 but you’ve got a really fine powder 97 00:04:23,466 --> 00:04:25,533 representative of a meter of core, 98 00:04:25,533 --> 00:04:29,066 quite labor intensive but ingenious. 99 00:04:29,066 --> 00:04:30,500 Yeah so there are no rules. 100 00:04:30,500 --> 00:04:32,033 You can test whatever is at hand 101 00:04:32,033 --> 00:04:33,433 but then you need to evaluate it 102 00:04:33,433 --> 00:04:35,533 and make sure it really is fit for purpose. 103 00:04:35,533 --> 00:04:37,233 Exactly, a bit of a common theme 104 00:04:37,233 --> 00:04:39,000 running through this series Ted. 105 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:40,466 Indeed. 106 00:04:40,466 --> 00:04:41,933 There is also some good reading 107 00:04:41,933 --> 00:04:45,766 on the Association of Applied Geochemists website. 108 00:04:45,766 --> 00:04:50,100 Work that Camiro undertook in 2012-2013 109 00:04:50,100 --> 00:04:53,466 on all sorts of things but moisture is included in there. 110 00:04:53,466 --> 00:04:55,600 Really good stuff. 111 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,500 Read it in context because the technology 112 00:04:58,500 --> 00:05:02,600 was six or seven years older but worth a read, definitely. 113 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:04,100 OK, moving on from moisture. 114 00:05:04,100 --> 00:05:05,866 Homogeneity. 115 00:05:05,866 --> 00:05:09,400 So there’s probably three categories we can set up 116 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:11,466 of different sample types. 117 00:05:11,466 --> 00:05:14,133 Samples requiring no preparation, 118 00:05:14,133 --> 00:05:16,166 samples requiring partial preparation, 119 00:05:16,166 --> 00:05:18,933 and samples requiring full preparation, 120 00:05:18,933 --> 00:05:22,766 say down to 150-250 micron. 121 00:05:22,766 --> 00:05:26,966 So pXRF is used for so many different types of samples, 122 00:05:26,966 --> 00:05:29,066 and for so many different uses 123 00:05:29,066 --> 00:05:30,933 it’s really hard to give general advice, 124 00:05:30,933 --> 00:05:33,600 but in general what’s going on is that you are trading off 125 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:35,433 your precision for how much time 126 00:05:35,433 --> 00:05:36,900 you want to invest in sample prep. 127 00:05:36,900 --> 00:05:39,000 Right, and so because it’s so difficult 128 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:43,300 to give generic advice let’s use some real world examples 129 00:05:43,300 --> 00:05:44,900 for those three categories. 130 00:05:44,900 --> 00:05:47,566 Let’s start with no sample preparation. 131 00:05:47,566 --> 00:05:49,966 So we have hundreds of customers 132 00:05:49,966 --> 00:05:53,933 testing directly on drill core, directly on rock faces, 133 00:05:53,933 --> 00:05:59,300 directly on soils, directly on un-prepared blast hole samples. 134 00:05:59,300 --> 00:06:02,300 And all of those samples are heterogeneous 135 00:06:02,300 --> 00:06:06,566 so a lot of our customers are taking multiple measurements 136 00:06:06,566 --> 00:06:09,933 and taking the average of those readings to overcome that. 137 00:06:09,933 --> 00:06:13,166 They’re getting qualitative semi-quantitative data 138 00:06:13,166 --> 00:06:14,733 but it’s fit for purpose. 139 00:06:14,733 --> 00:06:19,500 We’ve also got customers testing gold in activated carbon, 140 00:06:19,500 --> 00:06:20,966 directly on the carbon. 141 00:06:20,966 --> 00:06:26,533 They’re also doing copper in liquids in SXEW plants, 142 00:06:26,533 --> 00:06:28,533 no sample preparation. 143 00:06:28,533 --> 00:06:31,066 So there’s a wide range of applications 144 00:06:31,066 --> 00:06:33,933 for customers doing no sample prep. 145 00:06:33,933 --> 00:06:35,966 For the partial sample prep, 146 00:06:35,966 --> 00:06:38,000 those are typically done for soil surveys 147 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,233 which are doing really well for things like base metals, 148 00:06:41,233 --> 00:06:44,800 for gold and pathfinder elements for gold. 149 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:46,633 That’s where we typically find the partial 150 00:06:46,633 --> 00:06:47,833 sample prep being used. 151 00:06:47,833 --> 00:06:49,833 Really common in that space, yeah. 152 00:06:49,833 --> 00:06:53,966 And as the portable XRF becomes used 153 00:06:53,966 --> 00:06:57,433 so much more widely customers are starting to test 154 00:06:57,433 --> 00:07:00,066 more samples that have been fully prepared 155 00:07:00,066 --> 00:07:03,600 to get the best quality data they can from their XRF. 156 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:07,333 So it’s becoming really common in sample prep facilities 157 00:07:07,333 --> 00:07:09,666 before the samples go to the laboratory 158 00:07:09,666 --> 00:07:13,666 or samples being returned from the laboratory, 159 00:07:13,666 --> 00:07:16,800 really good to get the best performance, 160 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:18,533 the best light element data 161 00:07:18,533 --> 00:07:20,266 for lithogeochemistry studies 162 00:07:20,266 --> 00:07:25,566 where the boundaries between rock types are very strictly defined. 163 00:07:25,566 --> 00:07:28,300 Full sample prep is becoming more and more common. 164 00:07:28,300 --> 00:07:30,500 And when you’ve invested that kind of time in the sample, 165 00:07:30,500 --> 00:07:32,766 typically you’ll test them in a sample cup 166 00:07:32,766 --> 00:07:34,600 or in a pressed pellet 167 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:36,033 where you’re going to get your best performance 168 00:07:36,033 --> 00:07:37,466 performance for light elements again because 169 00:07:37,466 --> 00:07:38,866 if you’re shooting in a plastic bag, 170 00:07:38,866 --> 00:07:41,133 unless you are just doing the heavier elements, 171 00:07:41,133 --> 00:07:42,866 your performance is going to get degraded 172 00:07:42,866 --> 00:07:44,633 by the attenuation from the plastic bag. 173 00:07:44,633 --> 00:07:47,566 Exactly. Shall we have a look at some of this stuff? 174 00:07:47,566 --> 00:07:48,966 Yeah, let’s. 175 00:07:48,966 --> 00:07:52,133 Olympus is not a sample preparation equipment provider. 176 00:07:52,133 --> 00:07:53,933 We specialize in what we do best 177 00:07:53,933 --> 00:07:56,300 which is manufacture portable XRF. 178 00:07:56,300 --> 00:08:00,400 Sample preparation, there’s no one size fits all solution 179 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,133 so do your research, 180 00:08:02,133 --> 00:08:03,900 have a look at what’s on the market 181 00:08:03,900 --> 00:08:06,633 and decide what equipment you need 182 00:08:06,633 --> 00:08:09,633 to achieve your data quality objectives. 183 00:08:09,633 --> 00:08:12,400 On the very simple side we have things like a hammer, 184 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:13,800 a mortar and pestle, 185 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:15,833 run it through a sieve to get a powder, 186 00:08:15,833 --> 00:08:19,100 put that powder in a sample cup with a prolene film. 187 00:08:19,100 --> 00:08:23,066 More sophisticated we have this mill which runs on AC power. 188 00:08:23,066 --> 00:08:25,433 You put your sample in the bottom, 189 00:08:25,433 --> 00:08:27,600 it takes up to a 10mm size sample, 190 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:32,800 screw it on, press and grind. 191 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:36,633 This has been found to be very popular with some of our clients 192 00:08:36,633 --> 00:08:39,966 because it can also handle very hard rock. 193 00:08:39,966 --> 00:08:42,533 This equipment here is provided by Onscite, 194 00:08:42,533 --> 00:08:46,033 specifically designed for the portable XRF industry. 195 00:08:46,033 --> 00:08:49,166 It’s based around an off-the-shelf angle grinder 196 00:08:49,166 --> 00:08:53,800 with some specialist attachments to the front end. 197 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:55,833 This attachment is a beater mill, 198 00:08:55,833 --> 00:08:57,566 the sample goes in there. 199 00:08:57,566 --> 00:09:00,766 When it’s turned on the beater mill crushes the rocks 200 00:09:00,766 --> 00:09:05,000 after you place the lid on and screw it down. 201 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:09,100 An alternative attachment is this rotary rock grinder, 202 00:09:09,100 --> 00:09:12,566 a cutting saw which when placed on there 203 00:09:12,566 --> 00:09:14,866 can enable you to cut through rock faces, 204 00:09:14,866 --> 00:09:16,266 rock outcrop, 205 00:09:16,266 --> 00:09:18,800 and collect the resultant chips and powder 206 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,966 in a test-tube style attachment. 207 00:09:21,966 --> 00:09:25,100 That material can then be passed through some sieves 208 00:09:25,100 --> 00:09:27,866 and then this torque wrench press used 209 00:09:27,866 --> 00:09:30,200 to develop nice powdered pellets 210 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:33,000 from which you can test directly on the surface 211 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:37,600 avoiding any prolene film you might use with a sample cup. 212 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:41,333 Another vendor are REFLEX™, they’re part of the IMDEX group. 213 00:09:41,333 --> 00:09:45,766 They make this rock crusher that will take 25mm feed, 214 00:09:45,766 --> 00:09:48,133 crush it down to 1-2 millimeters, 215 00:09:48,133 --> 00:09:51,333 and it will take a kilogram of RC material 216 00:09:51,333 --> 00:09:54,200 and process it in about a minute and a half. 217 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,333 This is the REFLEX MILL™, 218 00:09:56,333 --> 00:10:01,900 feed size of 4mm down to a fine powder in a single pass. 219 00:10:01,900 --> 00:10:07,300 Both of these systems run on universal AC power. 220 00:10:07,300 --> 00:10:09,066 There’s also the REFLEX PRESS™ 221 00:10:09,066 --> 00:10:12,400 which makes these nice pucks that are very dense, 222 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,233 very consistent and have a nice flat surface 223 00:10:15,233 --> 00:10:17,733 so they’re quite good for XRF analysis. 224 00:10:17,733 --> 00:10:20,933 I used the REFLEX PRESS™ on a project 225 00:10:20,933 --> 00:10:22,733 in Ireland last summer 226 00:10:22,733 --> 00:10:24,500 and the data we got on the XRF 227 00:10:24,500 --> 00:10:26,133 off the pucks was exceptional. 228 00:10:26,133 --> 00:10:27,433 And throughput? 229 00:10:27,433 --> 00:10:31,066 I know one customer doing about 150 samples per shift 230 00:10:31,066 --> 00:10:32,800 on a 2 person operation. 231 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,766 Outstanding. So you can see that there are a wide range 232 00:10:35,766 --> 00:10:39,966 of materials and equipment that you can use 233 00:10:39,966 --> 00:10:41,633 to do your sample preparation 234 00:10:41,633 --> 00:10:45,200 so do your homework and see what works best for you. 235 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,333 So, to conclude, 236 00:10:47,333 --> 00:10:49,766 some of you may be required to do some sample prep 237 00:10:49,766 --> 00:10:52,833 to achieve your data quality objectives. 238 00:10:52,833 --> 00:10:56,233 As with all previous advice, do some test work 239 00:10:56,233 --> 00:10:58,633 to determine what level of sample preparation 240 00:10:58,633 --> 00:11:02,566 you need for your XRF program to be fit for purpose. 241 00:11:02,566 --> 00:11:04,533 Right, and so next time we’ll be looking at 242 00:11:04,533 --> 00:11:07,333 QA/QC protocols to determine fit for purpose. 243 00:11:07,333 --> 00:11:10,866 Exactly. We’re starting to generate analytical data 244 00:11:10,866 --> 00:11:13,066 so we need to take responsibility 245 00:11:13,066 --> 00:11:14,800 for the integrity of that data 246 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,100 so we’ll provide some advice on how to do that. 247 00:11:17,100 --> 00:11:19,566 Until then, bye for now. Bye for now.