1 00:00:11,133 --> 00:00:12,466 Hello again. 2 00:00:12,466 --> 00:00:15,100 Welcome to installment five in our video series 3 00:00:15,100 --> 00:00:17,266 providing best practice advice 4 00:00:17,266 --> 00:00:19,700 on geochemistry applications with portable XRF. 5 00:00:19,700 --> 00:00:20,966 I’m Todd Houlahan. 6 00:00:20,966 --> 00:00:22,400 I’m joined by my colleague Marcus Lake. 7 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:23,566 Hows'it Marcus? 8 00:00:23,566 --> 00:00:24,733 Hows'it Todd? 9 00:00:24,733 --> 00:00:27,100 Today we’re going to be talking about test times. 10 00:00:27,100 --> 00:00:28,766 Just how long do you need to test 11 00:00:28,766 --> 00:00:30,766 a sample to get the right result? 12 00:00:30,766 --> 00:00:32,833 Marcus, how do you answer this question? 13 00:00:32,833 --> 00:00:34,566 Todd, as you know, during this series 14 00:00:34,566 --> 00:00:36,700 we’ve been repeating ourselves a lot 15 00:00:36,700 --> 00:00:38,833 in advising on your best practice 16 00:00:38,833 --> 00:00:40,633 for field portable XRF fluorescence. 17 00:00:40,633 --> 00:00:43,400 Testing times is a very important part of that. 18 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:46,166 In general I’d say minimum should be ten seconds per beam 19 00:00:46,166 --> 00:00:49,333 and a maximum of about a hundred and twenty seconds per beam. 20 00:00:49,333 --> 00:00:52,200 OK. Two things jump out at me there. 21 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:55,166 There’s a big range between ten seconds per beam 22 00:00:55,166 --> 00:00:57,033 and a hundred and twenty seconds per beam, 23 00:00:57,033 --> 00:00:59,366 especially if we’re talking about multiple beams. 24 00:00:59,366 --> 00:01:01,400 And two, what’s a beam? 25 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:04,400 So how about I discuss the question about testing times Todd, 26 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:05,833 and you discuss the beams. 27 00:01:05,833 --> 00:01:07,833 Genius Marcus, as always. 28 00:01:07,833 --> 00:01:09,666 So Todd I’d like to start the discussion 29 00:01:09,666 --> 00:01:12,466 about what is actually impacted by test times 30 00:01:12,466 --> 00:01:15,466 when using your field portable XRF, 31 00:01:15,466 --> 00:01:18,566 mainly in relation to precision and lower limits of detection. 32 00:01:18,566 --> 00:01:20,300 It’s all about statistics. 33 00:01:20,300 --> 00:01:22,833 The x-ray is gathering hundreds of thousands 34 00:01:22,833 --> 00:01:27,133 of points of information per second thus, for some users, 35 00:01:27,133 --> 00:01:29,433 a shorter testing time might be applicable 36 00:01:29,433 --> 00:01:31,833 and for others a longer testing time might be needed. 37 00:01:31,833 --> 00:01:34,400 Light elements, magnesium, aluminum and silica 38 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,033 are harder to measure aren’t they 39 00:01:36,033 --> 00:01:39,300 because they fluoresce more weakly than the heavier elements? 40 00:01:39,300 --> 00:01:40,900 That’s right Dr. Todd. 41 00:01:40,900 --> 00:01:43,533 The elements, particularly magnesium, aluminum and silica, 42 00:01:43,533 --> 00:01:46,566 in my experience, with a low atomic number, 43 00:01:46,566 --> 00:01:50,100 will need a longer testing time to test at or near 44 00:01:50,100 --> 00:01:53,000 the limit of detection for our analyzer. 45 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:54,800 Can you please explain how the beams 46 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:56,333 are optimized on our analyzer? 47 00:01:56,333 --> 00:01:59,500 Sure. What’s a beam, or a beam setting? 48 00:01:59,500 --> 00:02:03,033 Using different beams allows us to optimize the instrument 49 00:02:03,033 --> 00:02:05,533 for different parts of the periodic table. 50 00:02:05,533 --> 00:02:10,900 A beam is comprised simply of the voltage of the x-ray tube, 51 00:02:10,900 --> 00:02:14,200 the current across the anode of the x-ray tube, 52 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:18,266 and some filtration that we position in front of the x-ray. 53 00:02:18,266 --> 00:02:21,966 With these three things we can optimize the analyzer 54 00:02:21,966 --> 00:02:26,466 for different elements and our systems utilize options 55 00:02:26,466 --> 00:02:30,600 of one beam modes, two beam modes, or three beam modes. 56 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:34,533 And that’s all going on in the front nose of the analyzer. 57 00:02:34,533 --> 00:02:36,666 So Todd how about we show the users now 58 00:02:36,666 --> 00:02:38,700 exactly how it works in geochem mode 59 00:02:38,700 --> 00:02:40,033 which uses two beams. 60 00:02:40,033 --> 00:02:42,300 Let’s do it. 61 00:02:42,300 --> 00:02:47,033 OK. To see which elements are measured by which beam, 62 00:02:47,033 --> 00:02:50,366 from the main screen we can swipe down from the right 63 00:02:50,366 --> 00:02:53,300 and tap on Element Suite. 64 00:02:53,300 --> 00:02:55,000 And here’s where we have the information 65 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,766 for this geochem two beam setup that we have. 66 00:02:58,766 --> 00:03:01,166 Beam one is measuring at forty kilovolts. 67 00:03:01,166 --> 00:03:03,300 It’s optimized for those elements. 68 00:03:03,300 --> 00:03:06,000 Beam two is running at ten kV 69 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,066 and is optimized for these elements 70 00:03:08,066 --> 00:03:12,366 so it’s important you know which elements are optimized for which beam 71 00:03:12,366 --> 00:03:15,800 so that if we need to make changes to the test time 72 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:22,733 we simply can do that by changing the test times in here. 73 00:03:22,733 --> 00:03:25,166 And then back to the main screen 74 00:03:25,166 --> 00:03:27,500 and we’re ready to take a test, it’s that easy. 75 00:03:27,500 --> 00:03:29,833 So another way I like to show customers very simply 76 00:03:29,833 --> 00:03:33,433 how to achieve the optimum testing time is by a simple XY graph. 77 00:03:33,433 --> 00:03:38,333 With X axis testing time and Y being precision of XRF. 78 00:03:38,333 --> 00:03:40,200 Obviously, as you can see here, 79 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:43,400 precision improves over a longer testing time 80 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,733 but the customer actually needs to find their sweet spot. 81 00:03:45,733 --> 00:03:48,266 It could be a hundred and twenty seconds down here 82 00:03:48,266 --> 00:03:50,866 or as little as ten seconds sort of down here. 83 00:03:50,866 --> 00:03:52,966 Now let us show you an example, within Excel®, 84 00:03:52,966 --> 00:03:56,866 of a customer achieving their optimum testing time for their project. 85 00:03:56,866 --> 00:03:58,966 OK. Here’s an example of a customer 86 00:03:58,966 --> 00:04:03,966 who’s done an orientation survey to optimize their test times 87 00:04:03,966 --> 00:04:06,733 under different scenarios, ninety seconds, 88 00:04:06,733 --> 00:04:10,300 forty-five seconds and fifteen second tests. 89 00:04:10,300 --> 00:04:12,333 Marcus, you know more about this project than me, 90 00:04:12,333 --> 00:04:13,566 tell me more. 91 00:04:13,566 --> 00:04:15,166 Well Todd, interestingly enough, 92 00:04:15,166 --> 00:04:17,400 if we look at the comparison graphs 93 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:19,800 we have a heavy element and a light element. 94 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:24,000 As we stated before, sometimes you need a longer testing time 95 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,933 for particularly light elements, magnesium, aluminum and silica. 96 00:04:26,933 --> 00:04:29,000 If we look at the correlation coefficients 97 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,133 for both of those elements, along with testing times, 98 00:04:32,133 --> 00:04:34,833 if we go from ninety seconds to forty-five seconds 99 00:04:34,833 --> 00:04:37,900 to fifteen seconds we see the correlation coefficients 100 00:04:37,900 --> 00:04:40,100 don’t actually change that much. 101 00:04:40,100 --> 00:04:42,566 Hence the customer is getting higher throughput 102 00:04:42,566 --> 00:04:45,733 and achieving the data results that they are after. 103 00:04:45,733 --> 00:04:48,400 I see there is a little bit more scatter 104 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,433 on the forty-five and fifteen second tests 105 00:04:51,433 --> 00:04:56,000 over the ninety seconds but they were willing to sacrifice that 106 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,200 for the benefit of shorter test times. 107 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,033 They were Todd. All they wanted was faster throughput 108 00:05:01,033 --> 00:05:03,000 to get more tests in the day 109 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,000 and faster quicker results back to the laboratory 110 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:06,366 for quicker turnaround times. 111 00:05:06,366 --> 00:05:07,533 And better productivity. 112 00:05:07,533 --> 00:05:08,666 Indeed. 113 00:05:08,666 --> 00:05:11,733 Good. That’s really the key message right? 114 00:05:11,733 --> 00:05:16,433 Yes, not every methodology like this is going to work for every customer, 115 00:05:16,433 --> 00:05:20,800 but the customer has to go away and do this geochem orientation survey 116 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:24,000 to work out their optimum testing times that work for them. 117 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:25,433 Yeah, yeah. 118 00:05:25,433 --> 00:05:27,433 OK Marcus, how should we wrap this one up? 119 00:05:27,433 --> 00:05:29,066 What’s the message? 120 00:05:29,066 --> 00:05:30,766 So Todd, as you’ve just seen from that example 121 00:05:30,766 --> 00:05:33,800 the customer should always start with a long testing time 122 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,366 and then bring that testing time back to a point 123 00:05:36,366 --> 00:05:38,933 where they are comfortable with the data quality that they are achieving. 124 00:05:38,933 --> 00:05:40,366 It’s not rocket science is it? 125 00:05:40,366 --> 00:05:43,466 No it’s not Todd but a customer does need to take the time 126 00:05:43,466 --> 00:05:46,166 to work out what’s optimum for their project. 127 00:05:46,166 --> 00:05:47,833 Just a little bit of work at the beginning, right? 128 00:05:47,833 --> 00:05:49,600 Indeed Todd. 129 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,966 OK. Next time we’re going to talk about sample containers 130 00:05:52,966 --> 00:05:57,266 and the effect on the accuracy and precision of the XRF 131 00:05:57,266 --> 00:05:59,800 when you’re using different sample containers 132 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,300 so hopefully you can join us then. 133 00:06:02,300 --> 00:06:03,566 And we’ll be seeing you mate? 134 00:06:03,566 --> 00:06:04,500 See you again Todd.